1 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:09,140 I noticed that the name of your book is 2 00:00:15,890 --> 00:00:12,750 a psychic psychics life from skeptic to 3 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:15,900 believer well the first book is growing 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:18,029 up psychic and it was that was that was 5 00:00:22,730 --> 00:00:19,890 the skeptic to believer and then the 6 00:00:24,670 --> 00:00:22,740 second one is a psychics like that the 7 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:24,680 psychics life was just a little bit more 8 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:29,789 sarcastic about psychics and and you 9 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:31,830 know the different kinds and and what we 10 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:33,300 do and what we don't do and what we can 11 00:00:37,459 --> 00:00:34,500 do and what we can't do and that guy's 12 00:00:43,459 --> 00:00:37,469 it was supposed to be seven reasons why 13 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:43,469 not to go to a psychic but well that 14 00:00:50,060 --> 00:00:47,309 interests me what were hit the highlight 15 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:50,070 for me for the reasons not to go to go 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:56,430 to a psychic coming from a psychic is 17 00:01:00,590 --> 00:00:57,930 that people get real dependent on it you 18 00:01:02,389 --> 00:01:00,600 know they they start making they won't 19 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:02,399 make decisions unless they talk to a 20 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:04,710 psychic and they don't trust our own 21 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,369 intuition and and that things do happen 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:09,600 like a lot of times when I do a resource 23 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:11,130 for people it doesn't matter whether I 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:12,780 do a reading for it or not it's stuff is 25 00:01:15,679 --> 00:01:14,010 still gonna happen I'm just kind of 26 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:15,689 playing stuff out to him you know and 27 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:17,700 it's so it's not like I'm gonna make 28 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:19,710 this huge difference psychics are just 29 00:01:22,609 --> 00:01:21,240 basically water boys you know they're 30 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:22,619 just there to kind of support you and 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:27,270 help you get through stuff and but it's 32 00:01:30,499 --> 00:01:28,650 been bugging me that that so many 33 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:30,509 psychics have been getting such a huge 34 00:01:35,060 --> 00:01:32,700 ego these days so that's why this that's 35 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:35,070 why the whole book thing and one of the 36 00:01:38,990 --> 00:01:36,689 chapters is my third eye is bigger than 37 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:39,000 your third eye and it's all about that 38 00:01:42,980 --> 00:01:41,369 kind of stuff well it's funny because 39 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:42,990 Michael and I were just talking about 40 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:44,759 this because he actually spent two years 41 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:47,759 working with with psychics and said that 42 00:01:53,539 --> 00:01:49,490 yes there was definitely people who were 43 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:53,549 addicted yeah yeah psychics and I guess 44 00:01:58,399 --> 00:01:56,130 themselves had to tell them hey you know 45 00:02:00,679 --> 00:01:58,409 you're calling too much well you know 46 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:00,689 what that's funny because when when that 47 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:02,340 happens with me people it's like when I 48 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:03,600 tell people that they're calling too 49 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:05,219 much and that they can't talk they want 50 00:02:09,619 --> 00:02:07,590 me even more so I end up I just lied on 51 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:09,629 I give them bad information I suck you 52 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:11,340 know so then they think oh this guy's no 53 00:02:13,610 --> 00:02:11,910 good 54 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:13,620 I have to actually suck so that they'll 55 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:17,220 leave me alone so let's start with the 56 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:19,110 basic question what what is psychic 57 00:02:24,980 --> 00:02:21,210 phenomena well you know there's all 58 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:24,990 sorts of different kinds like I see I 59 00:02:32,090 --> 00:02:27,990 grew up you know psychic family I didn't 60 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:32,100 and I actually had no interest in this 61 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:34,290 stuff whatsoever I still don't one I 62 00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:37,410 wonder if I still do but I we just had 63 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:39,300 some weird stuff happened to us when I 64 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:42,480 was a kid and and it made our family 65 00:02:48,130 --> 00:02:44,910 kind of aware that we had to do 66 00:02:50,090 --> 00:02:48,140 something about it and and kind of 67 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:50,100 investigate it or at least my mom did 68 00:02:56,450 --> 00:02:53,400 and and in that process we just kind of 69 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:56,460 all I have there's four of us kids I'm 70 00:03:01,640 --> 00:02:58,050 the youngest and three of us are 71 00:03:02,990 --> 00:03:01,650 psychics or was a medium my other 72 00:03:05,810 --> 00:03:03,000 sisters a psyche well she does 73 00:03:08,420 --> 00:03:05,820 everything and then me and then my mom 74 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:08,430 who passed but she was really into it 75 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:10,440 and it wasn't and then I have another 76 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:12,770 sibling but he's not into it at all um 77 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:15,120 in fact he's not darkside he's just 78 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:20,340 doesn't believe darkside as in he needs 79 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:21,180 to be brought back 80 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:23,640 no darkside is is like a reborn 81 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:26,100 Christian kind of thing oh I see yeah no 82 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:33,360 I it call that the bright side but like 83 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:38,040 she put the family yeah and when I was 84 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:38,700 seven 85 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:40,860 it actually started with this guy with 86 00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:44,310 this my family member he was he was he 87 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:47,100 was 14 I'm seven we're all three years 88 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:50,610 apart basically and and we grew up in 89 00:03:59,060 --> 00:03:54,090 this upper middle-class neighborhood my 90 00:04:02,330 --> 00:03:59,070 dad was a Salesman kind of a guy and big 91 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:02,340 guy you know huge ex-boxer just you know 92 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:06,750 that kind of guy and and really in 93 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:08,430 control kind of a guy you know liked his 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:09,900 wife to stay at home with the kids and 95 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:12,810 all that kind of thing and it was um we 96 00:04:17,570 --> 00:04:13,650 were we were sitting around eating 97 00:04:18,650 --> 00:04:17,580 dinner and and my brother who's as the 98 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:18,660 guy that's not into it anymore 99 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:20,729 was downstairs playing the drums or 100 00:04:25,379 --> 00:04:22,860 learning how to play the drums he really 101 00:04:26,939 --> 00:04:25,389 sucked you know it sounded terrible and 102 00:04:28,679 --> 00:04:26,949 he was learned and he was one of those 103 00:04:31,559 --> 00:04:28,689 cool kind of teenagers you know kind of 104 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:31,569 guys the women loved him he was a gifted 105 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:33,550 artist athlete you know football player 106 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:35,620 all that kind of stuff but he was like a 107 00:04:39,899 --> 00:04:37,300 serious drummer very serious kind of guy 108 00:04:41,459 --> 00:04:39,909 and he was down there take current a 109 00:04:43,739 --> 00:04:41,469 current and then all of a sudden it 110 00:04:45,330 --> 00:04:43,749 sounded kind of good you know it sounded 111 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:45,340 like like like he put on one of those 112 00:04:49,350 --> 00:04:46,960 records how to play the drums by kind of 113 00:04:52,649 --> 00:04:49,360 thing cuz it sounded tight now it lasted 114 00:04:55,589 --> 00:04:52,659 for about three or four minutes and and 115 00:04:59,399 --> 00:04:55,599 then all sudden we hear the drums being 116 00:05:01,019 --> 00:04:59,409 knocked over the cymbals and the door 117 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:01,029 blasts and open and he came flying 118 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:03,969 upstairs and and you have to understand 119 00:05:08,010 --> 00:05:05,800 my family like males weren't really sure 120 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:08,020 where it wasn't encouraged to show fear 121 00:05:12,749 --> 00:05:10,150 or weakness especially with my dad it 122 00:05:15,619 --> 00:05:12,759 just wasn't and especially with my older 123 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:15,629 brother because he was the first son and 124 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:18,370 and this is the first time I ever saw my 125 00:05:22,409 --> 00:05:19,990 brothers to guaran he was scared to 126 00:05:24,689 --> 00:05:22,419 death and he didn't want to talk about 127 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:24,699 it and and my dad was like what the 128 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:26,020 hell's going on down there what were you 129 00:05:29,969 --> 00:05:27,400 doing what's that and he didn't wanna 130 00:05:33,329 --> 00:05:29,979 talk about finally my mom got him to say 131 00:05:34,619 --> 00:05:33,339 what was going on and he said that he 132 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:34,629 was down there playing the drums and 133 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:37,120 this guy comes through the window 134 00:05:42,779 --> 00:05:40,120 through the window and parks himself 135 00:05:44,429 --> 00:05:42,789 right in front of the drugs and and it 136 00:05:46,379 --> 00:05:44,439 scared him to death he didn't know what 137 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:46,389 to do he just kind of put his head down 138 00:05:49,469 --> 00:05:48,250 and started playing you know and that's 139 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:49,479 when he sounded really good because the 140 00:05:53,010 --> 00:05:51,610 adrenaline was going in blah blah and he 141 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:53,020 looked up a couple times and this guy's 142 00:05:58,079 --> 00:05:54,520 just staring at him and he's like 143 00:05:59,850 --> 00:05:58,089 freaking out and and finally he says to 144 00:06:03,749 --> 00:05:59,860 this whatever this person you know 145 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:03,759 please go and and this is whatever it 146 00:06:07,469 --> 00:06:05,740 was just kind of went oh okay and went 147 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:07,479 through the wall and that's when he came 148 00:06:13,529 --> 00:06:11,649 flying upstairs and when he told us this 149 00:06:18,059 --> 00:06:13,539 you know even as a kid I thought yeah 150 00:06:20,219 --> 00:06:18,069 right but there was something weird in 151 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:20,229 the air there was something like there 152 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:21,759 was something weird like just something 153 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:23,649 weird and none of us believed um or 154 00:06:26,309 --> 00:06:25,120 anything I at least I didn't believe him 155 00:06:30,059 --> 00:06:26,319 because none of us believes in that guy 156 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:30,069 stuff and and we just kind of let it go 157 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:31,990 my dad made him go downstairs and pick 158 00:06:34,559 --> 00:06:33,039 up the drugs but he wouldn't go 159 00:06:36,329 --> 00:06:34,569 downstairs without anybody it was just a 160 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:36,339 weird thing and what did your mom say 161 00:06:38,980 --> 00:06:38,409 about it my mom was the one that was 162 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:38,990 real 163 00:06:42,730 --> 00:06:41,030 my mum's you know miss the opposite of 164 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:42,740 my dad real nurturing loving all that 165 00:06:47,170 --> 00:06:45,650 kind of she was like concerned um my 166 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:47,180 mother grew up Catholic so this kind of 167 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:48,590 stuff was kind of creepy for her you 168 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:50,930 know she didn't really want to go there 169 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:53,630 but but she was a psychic - correct she 170 00:06:57,100 --> 00:06:55,370 was a psychic but this is before any of 171 00:07:01,089 --> 00:06:57,110 that stuff we developed any of that 172 00:07:03,010 --> 00:07:01,099 static okay so a week later we were 173 00:07:04,029 --> 00:07:03,020 sitting around eating dinner again with 174 00:07:06,820 --> 00:07:04,039 all of us because he wouldn't go 175 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:06,830 downstairs without like a priest and and 176 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:08,810 we had one of those lazy susan things 177 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:12,410 and the salt shaker 178 00:07:17,260 --> 00:07:14,750 we're all sitting and talking and the 179 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:17,270 salt shaker gets up and moves across the 180 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:19,580 table and it's the weirdest thing to see 181 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:20,990 that because it's not like there's organ 182 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:22,310 music playing in the background you know 183 00:07:27,159 --> 00:07:24,500 it's not like this it's it's it's just 184 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:27,169 weird to see that you think how's that 185 00:07:32,409 --> 00:07:29,449 happening you don't really put any place 186 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:32,419 like that ghost is doing it and it moved 187 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:34,070 across the table and drop between my mom 188 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:35,870 and my dad and we all stopped talking 189 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:38,590 we're all looking at it my father 190 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:40,970 automatically assumed and I kind of did 191 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:42,560 too that my brother had hooked up some 192 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:44,030 sort of pulley system you know cuz we 193 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:45,289 had been getting him so much crap but 194 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:46,490 hey why don't you invite your ghost 195 00:07:51,310 --> 00:07:47,630 friend over for dinner and blah blah 196 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:51,320 blah but he was like like see see I'm 197 00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:52,340 telling you there's something in this 198 00:07:57,939 --> 00:07:56,479 house or something in this house and 199 00:08:01,330 --> 00:07:57,949 again there was that weird feeling in 200 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:01,340 the air like just something weird stuff 201 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:03,050 more stuff started happening you'd uh 202 00:08:06,129 --> 00:08:04,849 you'd walk into the kitchen and and 203 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:06,139 you'd open up a cupboard in the stuff 204 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:07,520 would slide out in your hand and you 205 00:08:10,990 --> 00:08:09,650 think well that's kind of odd but you 206 00:08:12,939 --> 00:08:11,000 wouldn't you know a tribute to a ghost 207 00:08:14,529 --> 00:08:12,949 or anything like that lights were going 208 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:14,539 on and off you could say well someone 209 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:17,000 maybe the fuse is being screwy somebody 210 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:19,190 would come up behind you you turn around 211 00:08:23,529 --> 00:08:21,289 nobody was there it happened during the 212 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:23,539 day it happened at night it happened 213 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:25,130 with people it happened with not people 214 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:27,530 and it was just getting weird in the 215 00:08:31,719 --> 00:08:29,810 house and my mom was a stay-at-home mom 216 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:31,729 like I said and so she was home most of 217 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:34,370 the time and and she started getting 218 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:36,649 freaked out because you know stuff was 219 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:37,849 happening and we would tell her hey 220 00:08:44,079 --> 00:08:39,620 ma'am who turned on the water in the 221 00:08:47,769 --> 00:08:44,089 kitchen and it just beyond finally she 222 00:08:50,319 --> 00:08:47,779 decided to go to her priest or I'm not 223 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:50,329 priest but her minister we we went to a 224 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:52,670 Baptist Church then and 225 00:08:59,980 --> 00:08:54,290 he suggested it might have been 226 00:09:01,480 --> 00:08:59,990 something guy like something she had to 227 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:01,490 go to the doctor for like you know a 228 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:03,110 gynecologist kind of a guy you know 229 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:06,290 maybe he was something above that so she 230 00:09:10,570 --> 00:09:08,690 goes to this again ecologist then and he 231 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:10,580 says no no it sounds like you got some 232 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:13,160 mental issues so she goes to a 233 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:14,870 psychiatrist and she went to all these 234 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:16,850 different people and they all just kind 235 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:18,860 of suggested different things you know 236 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:21,620 from schizophrenia to to just midlife 237 00:09:24,610 --> 00:09:23,210 stuff whatever you guys were 238 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:24,620 experiencing the same things that she 239 00:09:29,650 --> 00:09:27,890 was experiencing yeah we yeah and like I 240 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:29,660 said sometimes it happened to two of us 241 00:09:34,690 --> 00:09:31,790 and sometimes individual didn't matter 242 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:34,700 what time of day or night and so when 243 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:35,960 you're in your mind she wasn't 244 00:09:40,270 --> 00:09:37,790 experiencing some mental problems 245 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:40,280 because you were seeing yeah we were all 246 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:45,650 seeing it and and finally she goes to 247 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:48,530 this she got this lady who basically 248 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:51,830 worked out of her van this counselor 249 00:09:57,970 --> 00:09:54,910 this psychologist named mrs. Roop and 250 00:10:00,760 --> 00:09:57,980 she went to her and she was a lot more 251 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:00,770 open about things obviously and she told 252 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:02,870 my mom that you know it sounded like we 253 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:06,860 were having paranormal activity in our 254 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:08,840 house and that she should probably talk 255 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:11,630 to a medium and my mom you know like I 256 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:12,890 said she was raised Catholic so she 257 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:14,750 wasn't really okay with all that stuff 258 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:17,420 yet but just mrs. roat made her feel a 259 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:19,130 lot better she gave my mom her name this 260 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:21,860 lady's name was mrs. Olson and she lived 261 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:23,510 in st. Paul we live in Minneapolis Chula 262 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Vista call and and she gave her number 263 00:10:30,070 --> 00:10:27,530 and she said look if it gets too weird 264 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:30,080 just call her up and my mom said okay 265 00:10:32,380 --> 00:10:31,310 great and they and you know they talked 266 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:32,390 about a lot of stuff she felt a lot 267 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:34,910 better so she came home and I don't 268 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:36,440 think so her plan was really to talk to 269 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:38,240 mrs. Olson because like I said she just 270 00:10:41,050 --> 00:10:39,800 didn't you know didn't really go there 271 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:41,060 it was kind of like the devil's work to 272 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:43,580 her like that's what she was taught but 273 00:10:48,790 --> 00:10:46,970 when she came home and my mom used to 274 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:48,800 collect Bibles which I didn't know about 275 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,350 till that day but when she came home her 276 00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:53,360 Bibles were stacked up on her bed when 277 00:10:58,750 --> 00:10:55,460 she went upstairs to change or whatever 278 00:10:59,890 --> 00:10:58,760 and it freaked her out and because 279 00:11:03,310 --> 00:10:59,900 nobody was home we were all at school 280 00:11:05,530 --> 00:11:03,320 and I remember when I came home from 281 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:05,540 school she yelling at me for playing 282 00:11:08,290 --> 00:11:06,590 with her Bibles and 283 00:11:10,030 --> 00:11:08,300 like I said I didn't even know that they 284 00:11:11,890 --> 00:11:10,040 were there but she she was like really 285 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:11,900 mad so I didn't you know argue with her 286 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:13,550 I just said oh okay 287 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:17,120 she put the Bibles away you know we all 288 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,610 came home from school she made dinner 289 00:11:22,750 --> 00:11:20,480 she went upstairs again 290 00:11:25,390 --> 00:11:22,760 to get something and she screamed and we 291 00:11:27,370 --> 00:11:25,400 we all went upstairs and and there were 292 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:27,380 the Bible's stacked up on this bed and 293 00:11:32,620 --> 00:11:30,110 kind of in a weird way and I think 294 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:32,630 because that happened because the whole 295 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:34,430 religious thing that's what kind of 296 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:36,170 turned my mom and his saying okay screw 297 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:38,210 it I got to do something and and she 298 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:41,990 called mrs. Olsen and mr. halston 299 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:43,790 explained all the stuff that was 300 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:45,620 happening and why it was happening and 301 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:48,110 she her thought was that we were gonna 302 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:50,690 develop our psychic stuff as a family 303 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:53,060 and that we were supposed to help each 304 00:12:03,070 --> 00:12:00,160 other with it and my sister echo was 305 00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:03,080 gonna you know my sister echo is the 306 00:12:09,370 --> 00:12:05,240 oldest and that she was going to develop 307 00:12:10,870 --> 00:12:09,380 this healing stuff and and so and she 308 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:10,880 asked my mother and my sister aqua to 309 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:13,550 come in to meet her and and they did it 310 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:16,630 and it just it all started from there 311 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:19,010 from that meeting for well that started 312 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:20,240 before that but that's when my mom 313 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:21,770 started getting answers and the weird 314 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:24,400 thing about it was my mom started like 315 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:26,720 really feeling empowered by the whole 316 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:28,490 stuff you know she really got into it 317 00:12:34,630 --> 00:12:31,910 like really got into it and she she 318 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:34,640 started wanting to know about why these 319 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:36,740 things were happening why why somebody 320 00:12:41,079 --> 00:12:38,060 you could feel somebody's hand she 321 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:41,089 wanted to know all this stuff and it was 322 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:44,570 kind of I think her way it bothered my 323 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:46,880 dad a lot so I think it was her way to 324 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:51,530 kind of bug my dad at least at first but 325 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:53,030 she really got into it and so she 326 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:54,950 started to look for other people that 327 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:57,110 were having experiences there was people 328 00:13:00,520 --> 00:12:58,970 that back then you know like if you had 329 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:00,530 psychic ability was considered mental 330 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:02,480 illness so everybody was kind of 331 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:04,220 underground you know like right now you 332 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:05,870 can't spit without hitting a psychic but 333 00:13:10,420 --> 00:13:07,880 back then you know they were you really 334 00:13:13,170 --> 00:13:10,430 had to look and what's the connection 335 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:13,180 between psychic ability and these 336 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:23,590 well I think for what I understand the 337 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:26,060 whole point of that was so that we would 338 00:13:28,210 --> 00:13:27,410 learn how to develop it because it's 339 00:13:30,370 --> 00:13:28,220 kind of like something you have to 340 00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:30,380 develop you know you have to work on it 341 00:13:34,450 --> 00:13:31,550 exercises like there's different 342 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:34,460 exercises that you can you to do to 343 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:38,060 become you know more psychic to to learn 344 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:40,790 what yours what your talent is like not 345 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:43,730 every psychic is the same like some 346 00:13:48,010 --> 00:13:45,770 psychics they're about past life some 347 00:13:48,670 --> 00:13:48,020 people are you know they find dead 348 00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:48,680 bodies 349 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:51,920 some people find your stuff some people 350 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:53,330 I'm a future kind of a guy 351 00:13:57,010 --> 00:13:55,070 some people talk to your dead relatives 352 00:14:00,970 --> 00:13:57,020 and friends they all just have kind of 353 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:00,980 specific things you know and I guess 354 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,560 that's what the whole psychic phenomena 355 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:05,600 thing was about to kind of push or at 356 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:07,610 least for heard pushed her into learning 357 00:14:14,950 --> 00:14:11,660 more about and and what what do you 358 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:14,960 think was going on at the house I I 359 00:14:18,940 --> 00:14:16,430 thought it was Satan's playground 360 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:18,950 actually but I mean looking back at it 361 00:14:30,130 --> 00:14:26,690 now I think it was we're all into it so 362 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:30,140 I think I think it was exactly what mrs. 363 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:31,580 Olson said that we were all gonna 364 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:33,530 develop our psychic stuff and that we 365 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:35,780 were gonna go off in that level my 366 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,220 sister Echo's written like you know a 367 00:14:41,770 --> 00:14:40,160 dozen books and um we do we do a lot of 368 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:41,780 speaking and we do you know it's my life 369 00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:44,720 I've been doing it for over 40 years 370 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:47,720 and I do a lot of ghost busting a lot of 371 00:14:52,030 --> 00:14:49,010 possession stuff a lot of you know what 372 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:52,040 it's kind of what I do and so maybe 373 00:14:57,190 --> 00:14:54,440 that's what it was all about I didn't 374 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:57,200 want to do it though I but you would say 375 00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,730 that it was some type of paranormal 376 00:15:04,390 --> 00:15:00,160 activity going on at the house 377 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:04,400 absolutely sorry I went back there 378 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:09,890 because when my mother passed we there 379 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:12,140 was a scream at that we know the day 380 00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:14,330 before she passes we said hey look if I 381 00:15:17,140 --> 00:15:15,680 miss if we start missing each other I'll 382 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,150 meet you at the old house and so 383 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:19,600 occasionally I would go to the old house 384 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:22,130 after she passed because I missed her 385 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:26,810 and at one point one point they realized 386 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:28,370 that they were putting it up for sale so 387 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:31,100 I went in and asked him about it and I I 388 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:32,480 was thinking 389 00:15:37,810 --> 00:15:35,510 by in the house and I went through it 390 00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:37,820 with some people and there was just a 391 00:15:42,939 --> 00:15:41,240 ton of ghosts there and they hit nobody 392 00:15:44,889 --> 00:15:42,949 could stay in the house they could stay 393 00:15:46,569 --> 00:15:44,899 there for maybe four years and that was 394 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,579 probably the longest anybody stayed in 395 00:15:51,730 --> 00:15:49,040 there but the ghosts were just you know 396 00:15:54,189 --> 00:15:51,740 chasing these people out and so I know 397 00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,199 that there's still stuff there when we 398 00:16:03,280 --> 00:15:57,680 left we left in a hurry because we we 399 00:16:05,769 --> 00:16:03,290 kind of had to but they I think for us 400 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:05,779 it was all about getting our attention 401 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:07,730 it was all about us learning how to deal 402 00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:11,570 with it so you guys experienced it and I 403 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:13,220 guess your view would be anybody who 404 00:16:17,079 --> 00:16:15,649 would be in that house would experience 405 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:17,089 this paranormal activity in other words 406 00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:18,290 you don't need to have special psychic 407 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:20,839 abilities to extend paranormal no my 408 00:16:23,439 --> 00:16:22,070 friends would come home from school with 409 00:16:26,530 --> 00:16:23,449 me and they'd see these things 410 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:26,540 themselves you know or it wasn't you 411 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:27,649 know a lot of times they didn't want to 412 00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,850 come back but it wasn't as things 413 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:33,440 started picking up as we used to like 414 00:16:37,629 --> 00:16:35,930 after a while we went to my mother went 415 00:16:39,819 --> 00:16:37,639 to this little church that was in this 416 00:16:41,439 --> 00:16:39,829 basement of this place and it was a 417 00:16:42,490 --> 00:16:41,449 bunch of old psychics or not old butts 418 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:42,500 like people that were trying to figure 419 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:44,079 out what was going on either crazy or 420 00:16:50,590 --> 00:16:47,510 what and and then they started coming to 421 00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:50,600 our house because it had heat and and 422 00:16:58,030 --> 00:16:54,560 they liked it and and so we had I grew 423 00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,040 up with a bunch of psychics always at 424 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:00,079 the house and they were always practiced 425 00:17:02,769 --> 00:17:01,370 and stuff you know but they didn't know 426 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,779 what they were doing and so they were 427 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:05,360 you know they were practicing no they 428 00:17:07,929 --> 00:17:06,650 were practicing all sorts of stuff they 429 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:07,939 were learning we were just learning how 430 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:10,130 to do all this stuff and so that brought 431 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:11,929 in a lot more activity you know ghosts 432 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:13,510 wise in the house so it wasn't unusual 433 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:18,049 for my friends or whoever to see a ghost 434 00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:19,549 sitting in a chair you know they would 435 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:21,829 kind of freak out a little bit but it 436 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:24,049 was it was kind of known that that was 437 00:17:27,490 --> 00:17:25,360 just kind of happening at our house 438 00:17:28,810 --> 00:17:27,500 subscribers brother who ended up not 439 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:28,820 being psychic and instead became a 440 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:30,530 born-again Christian he experienced all 441 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,360 this also so what's yeah what's his 442 00:17:38,169 --> 00:17:34,880 explanation for it it freaked him out he 443 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:38,179 didn't it scared him didn't made it end 444 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:39,470 up playing a part to him becoming a 445 00:17:46,330 --> 00:17:44,270 born-again Christian uh in a way I think 446 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:46,340 yeah because you know we 447 00:17:52,990 --> 00:17:50,510 all as one way to deal with this stuff 448 00:17:56,380 --> 00:17:53,000 it like for me we all got into drugs and 449 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:56,390 alcohol you know we all got into we all 450 00:17:58,840 --> 00:17:58,490 got into drugs and alcohol and all for 451 00:18:01,260 --> 00:17:58,850 kids 452 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:01,270 yeah we all be every one of us has been 453 00:18:05,470 --> 00:18:03,529 through treatment or some sort of 454 00:18:10,299 --> 00:18:05,480 sobriety kind of thing yeah yeah 455 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:10,309 and I've been sober for 30-something 456 00:18:13,930 --> 00:18:11,870 years yeah I was gonna ask you about 457 00:18:15,310 --> 00:18:13,940 that because I read that so so it's 458 00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:15,320 mostly in your teenage years that you 459 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:17,870 had your yeah problems I went right into 460 00:18:23,019 --> 00:18:20,510 it and I didn't stop until I kind of had 461 00:18:26,169 --> 00:18:23,029 to I yeah I had my choice of jailor or 462 00:18:28,389 --> 00:18:26,179 treatment so that's and since we've 463 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:28,399 covered a a in the 12-step program I 464 00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:30,470 have to ask you what was your what 465 00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:32,539 helped you become sober what method did 466 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:36,500 you use I went to two treatment centers 467 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:38,210 but the thing that helped me really was 468 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:42,230 a and my life my peers were starting to 469 00:18:47,529 --> 00:18:44,330 show up in meetings and that's what 470 00:18:49,779 --> 00:18:47,539 really helped I was a youngest guy in 471 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:49,789 Minnesota to go through treatment well 472 00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:50,890 congratulations 473 00:19:00,340 --> 00:18:57,440 Thanks I was 14 so you were 14 years old 474 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:00,350 and sitting in a a meetings yeah they 475 00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:01,610 don't have kids they don't have kids 476 00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:04,429 eh-eh they didn't back then I think the 477 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:08,480 youngest guy was probably 27 Wow 478 00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:10,850 it was awkward you know it was awkward 479 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:14,750 but then it started to after a couple 480 00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,580 years some people my age were starting 481 00:19:21,639 --> 00:19:18,559 to show up and they were coming in and 482 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:21,649 that's when that's when it really helped 483 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:23,330 it was hard it was really hard for a 484 00:19:25,779 --> 00:19:24,590 couple years because I didn't have 485 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:25,789 anybody to relate to it they were all 486 00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:30,770 you know so much older and but but you 487 00:19:35,649 --> 00:19:33,679 you worked the 12 steps I did and then 488 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:35,659 what about how long did you continue 489 00:19:43,659 --> 00:19:38,390 going to AAA you know what I went for a 490 00:19:47,049 --> 00:19:43,669 long time I went we more and more kids 491 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:47,059 my age were coming up and it got to be a 492 00:19:55,389 --> 00:19:49,970 huge thing so I thought I was in a for a 493 00:20:00,100 --> 00:19:55,399 good almost 20 years I think Wow based 494 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:00,110 on a year - how many years would you say 495 00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:00,330 you 496 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:03,360 addicted as a teenager I started pretty 497 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:06,090 young I started really young I was my 498 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:08,610 both my parents were alcoholic and they 499 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:12,090 were in recovery and so I was I was and 500 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:13,529 I was great I was born with fetal 501 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:15,210 alcohol syndrome when mother was drunk 502 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,720 when when I was born so when drinking it 503 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:20,159 was like going back to the womb you know 504 00:20:24,919 --> 00:20:22,710 it was like Hello and the first drink I 505 00:20:29,419 --> 00:20:24,929 took I didn't stop I took I drank every 506 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:29,429 day so it was only a few years it was 507 00:20:35,269 --> 00:20:33,360 probably yeah started Lebanon yeah it 508 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:35,279 was only but it was daily you know and 509 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:38,010 it got to be worse and worse to where I 510 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:42,630 just know so what is your just to finish 511 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:44,760 up on a a what is your assessment of a a 512 00:20:49,159 --> 00:20:46,350 because we've actually been fairly 513 00:20:52,639 --> 00:20:49,169 critical of it in our analysis because 514 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:52,649 it has a very low success rate yes for 515 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:54,630 people who work the steps it works but 516 00:20:58,340 --> 00:20:56,970 the problem is 95% of the people don't 517 00:21:01,879 --> 00:20:58,350 work the steps so it's just not 518 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:01,889 effective for them yeah you gotta you 519 00:21:05,930 --> 00:21:03,990 know you really got to be ready yeah 520 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:05,940 like I was at the point where I didn't 521 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:10,409 really have a a choice I the last time I 522 00:21:13,220 --> 00:21:11,250 got drunk 523 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,230 the last time I used anything I would 524 00:21:17,899 --> 00:21:15,840 take whatever I could to just alter my 525 00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,909 mood and the last I got out of treatment 526 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:19,860 the first thing I did was I found a 527 00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:22,260 bottle of tequila that I hid you know a 528 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:24,299 long time ago and I drank the whole 529 00:21:32,269 --> 00:21:28,380 bottle and I didn't feel any better and 530 00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,279 it freaked me out it's like it just 531 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,620 freaked me out and it was like oh you 532 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:36,240 know I got to do something I got to do 533 00:21:42,019 --> 00:21:38,370 something and so I was in a place where 534 00:21:43,399 --> 00:21:42,029 I you know I didn't I was afraid to 535 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:43,409 drink and I was afraid to stay sober so 536 00:21:47,779 --> 00:21:46,620 I kind of had to I was ready 537 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,789 you know I was ready I was ready to 538 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:49,679 listen to these people it wasn't I just 539 00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:51,450 kept going you know it wasn't like I was 540 00:21:58,460 --> 00:21:55,799 I was really into it I just I I agree in 541 00:22:02,680 --> 00:21:58,470 fact I have two issues with a myself I 542 00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:02,690 went back there to get my pin last year 543 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:06,630 and one of the people that said saw me 544 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,760 said at home you have so many years you 545 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:10,320 should you should speak and I said well 546 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,730 yeah I'd love to speak and then the the 547 00:22:16,919 --> 00:22:14,320 traitor came up and said well what's 548 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:16,929 your a group and who's your sponsor I 549 00:22:20,970 --> 00:22:18,580 said geez you know my sponsors are all 550 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:20,980 dead and I haven't been in a group of a 551 00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:23,110 long time and and they were they were 552 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:31,409 you guys yeah here you're gonna speak 553 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:34,809 very glowingly of it because yeah you it 554 00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:36,940 saved you and you've been sober ever 555 00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:39,820 since but yeah because you haven't been 556 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:43,120 going to your meetings you right right 557 00:22:47,789 --> 00:22:45,850 right and it so I just thought you know 558 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:47,799 I just thought it was political crap I 559 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:49,080 just didn't know I 560 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:51,790 that's the cultish kind of religious 561 00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,130 element of it right so you're not going 562 00:22:59,010 --> 00:22:56,559 to Mass every Sunday so you can't take 563 00:23:01,080 --> 00:22:59,020 communion right and it wasn't I don't 564 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,090 think it was built based it was supposed 565 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:03,520 to be like that you know and at least in 566 00:23:07,169 --> 00:23:05,290 my way of thinking it wasn't supposed to 567 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:07,179 be like that so it kind of it bothered 568 00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:09,100 me a little bit I thought you know it 569 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:10,750 made me look at it in a different way 570 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:13,450 what are your religious beliefs today I 571 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:15,940 think religion is terrible I think it's 572 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:19,450 I think I think religion is evil I'm a 573 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:24,900 I'm a very spiritual person but I'm not 574 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:28,510 a religious person I don't like I don't 575 00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:31,570 like what man has done to it I'm not a 576 00:23:39,090 --> 00:23:36,520 big fan you know you used for for money 577 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:39,100 and power and cetera just general 578 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:41,020 corruption is that your thought that's 579 00:23:46,289 --> 00:23:44,530 my my thinking yeah I think you can tell 580 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,299 when somebody has that spirit inside of 581 00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:48,400 them and then you can tell the person 582 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:51,070 that's just icon and it's yeah I'm not a 583 00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:54,610 big I could I'm not a big fan so what so 584 00:24:02,909 --> 00:23:56,260 what what is your personal belief then 585 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:02,919 about God etc well I believe I it's not 586 00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:04,690 even a belief I just know I just know 587 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:09,460 that there's this force to be simplistic 588 00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:11,410 about it I think that there's a negative 589 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:12,460 force and I think there's a positive 590 00:24:16,049 --> 00:24:14,380 force and I think that people can tap 591 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:16,059 into either one if they want and I think 592 00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:16,990 a lot of times people are more attracted 593 00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:19,270 to the dark just because it's easier and 594 00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:22,360 it's ah for a bunch of reasons but I 595 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:23,980 think it's a little bit more difficult 596 00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:26,200 to tap into the to the lighter stuff 597 00:24:28,139 --> 00:24:26,559 which 598 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:28,149 is the whole faith and trust in all that 599 00:24:31,619 --> 00:24:30,190 custom in my line working on my future 600 00:24:35,489 --> 00:24:31,629 kind of a guy 601 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:35,499 I see people opportunities coming up for 602 00:24:39,389 --> 00:24:37,870 people all the time you can see them 603 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,399 it's like really clear you can see 604 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,200 different relationships different jobs 605 00:24:45,989 --> 00:24:43,450 different opportunities but I think most 606 00:24:47,489 --> 00:24:45,999 of the time people won't take those 607 00:24:49,289 --> 00:24:47,499 opportunities for a whole bunch of 608 00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:49,299 reasons you know they think that they 609 00:24:53,249 --> 00:24:51,460 don't deserve it or know it will never 610 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:53,259 happen or we know I'll make a fool out 611 00:24:58,049 --> 00:24:54,700 of myself if I try and all that kind of 612 00:24:59,820 --> 00:24:58,059 stuff and and the people that do do it 613 00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,830 tend to be a little bit narcissistic in 614 00:25:03,899 --> 00:25:01,840 the sense that they you know they have 615 00:25:05,489 --> 00:25:03,909 to have if they see an opportunity they 616 00:25:10,499 --> 00:25:05,499 got to take it they just think they got 617 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:10,509 it and to me it's the it's about that 618 00:25:14,879 --> 00:25:13,480 it's about trusting that you're here to 619 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:14,889 do better things and trusting that you 620 00:25:22,409 --> 00:25:16,840 can get opportunities in both glass so 621 00:25:24,659 --> 00:25:22,419 God to me is possibility and hope and 622 00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,669 all that that it's actually real it's a 623 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:26,799 choice and for that reason that's why I 624 00:25:31,499 --> 00:25:30,100 I do mostly actors like in the 625 00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,509 entertainment field not because they're 626 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:33,279 great people but just because I know 627 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:34,840 that they're gonna if they see an 628 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,769 opportunity they're gonna take it 629 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:38,320 because they have to if I do people 630 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:40,330 around here I know the best they're 631 00:25:43,409 --> 00:25:41,590 probably gonna do is join a bowling 632 00:25:44,850 --> 00:25:43,419 league not because they're not good 633 00:25:46,259 --> 00:25:44,860 people it's just that they just don't 634 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:46,269 believe in themselves they don't see it 635 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:49,809 and they're so restricted by their dark 636 00:25:56,249 --> 00:25:52,690 thoughts and what happens what happens 637 00:25:58,169 --> 00:25:56,259 in your view when you die you know 638 00:26:02,940 --> 00:25:58,179 that's a good question I deal with a lot 639 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:02,950 of dead people you know so I guess I see 640 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:04,360 him all the time you know people they 641 00:26:09,539 --> 00:26:07,480 show up outside so I see him a lot but I 642 00:26:13,619 --> 00:26:09,549 you know I've never been to the other 643 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,629 side um I know that there's another life 644 00:26:17,489 --> 00:26:16,240 after they're going someplace I just you 645 00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:17,499 know I'm kind of curious about that 646 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:20,860 myself I don't I don't believe that you 647 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:23,710 just kind of die and then you just go to 648 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:24,190 the ground 649 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:25,960 I do believe because I've seen us I 650 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:27,580 can't even tell you how many people I've 651 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:30,190 seen and other people have seen you know 652 00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:31,990 the spirits of different people when 653 00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:34,929 they're leaving or when they're it's 654 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,059 like another life it's like it's just a 655 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,600 transition so in my little head 656 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:42,240 I think it's just a transition I think 657 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:45,330 that death is just a transition thing so 658 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,190 when you say you've seen them what do 659 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:50,760 you see like them like their their 660 00:27:01,100 --> 00:26:54,090 bodies their faces their there's 661 00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:01,110 pictures yeah they're like like 662 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:04,680 sometimes if you like if you're a boy 663 00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,910 how do I explain them you literally them 664 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:11,400 I like I for some reason because what I 665 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:13,410 do you know people ask me to be there 666 00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:14,760 when they're gonna die there when 667 00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:17,400 they're gonna pass which is kind of an 668 00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:18,870 interesting experience because it's you 669 00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,040 think it's kind of creepy but it's 670 00:27:24,919 --> 00:27:21,679 actually really interesting it's like 671 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:24,929 you can see their soul just kind of 672 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:29,360 leave you know and it's and there's a 673 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:31,890 there's a lightness with that there's a 674 00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:35,910 you you can you can see it and so I seen 675 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:37,830 in that I've seen it and friends that 676 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:40,230 have passed they'll just show up 677 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:43,970 probably because of what I do but and 678 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:48,510 okay so I'm married and I'm not the kind 679 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:50,370 of guy that you really good with kids 680 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:52,110 in fact you would think I would be the 681 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:54,690 last guy to be a good parent and when my 682 00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:58,050 wife was pregnant with my first kid with 683 00:28:04,270 --> 00:27:59,730 our first kid I was scared to death 684 00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:07,820 my mother-in-law thought I was the 685 00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:09,630 Antichrist because when I was a kid I 686 00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,960 was you know doing all these different 687 00:28:15,980 --> 00:28:13,740 psychic stuff and I was on these 688 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,990 magazines and one magazine I was holding 689 00:28:21,770 --> 00:28:17,700 this crystal ball and I was you know 690 00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:21,780 just being a joke and but her her 691 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:23,160 son-in-law pointed out and said this is 692 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,960 who katie is gonna marry or who's who 693 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:29,340 she's with and she was a reboard 694 00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,690 christian and so she thought oh no you 695 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:33,059 can't be with your with my daughter in 696 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,040 fact when I asked her for her hand she 697 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:37,559 said no over my dead body so she died 698 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:42,300 which is good but it was over her dead 699 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,730 body huh yes over dead body but so I'm 700 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:46,140 freaking out and I'm talking to my 701 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:50,130 friend on the phone and I turn around 702 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:52,130 and her name was Jeannie the 703 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:54,169 my wife's mother's name was Jean and 704 00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:56,360 Jeanne was standing right there I mean 705 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:00,140 right there and not only did I marry her 706 00:29:04,029 --> 00:29:01,880 daughter but I impregnate her so I 707 00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:04,039 thought she was they're just like you 708 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:05,960 know possessed me or rip my eyes out or 709 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:06,770 something like that 710 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:09,260 and and my buddy was on the other line 711 00:29:16,779 --> 00:29:14,200 and she started telling me about my baby 712 00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:16,789 that that's it was gonna be a girl 713 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:18,950 that you know all this stuff about her 714 00:29:24,669 --> 00:29:21,049 and then I was gonna be a good dad and 715 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:24,679 to calm down and my friend Rob could 716 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:28,610 hear Jeanne on the other line she could 717 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:35,270 hear sorry it was freaking but it 718 00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:36,320 freaked me out even more because I 719 00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:38,780 really she didn't look happy to begin 720 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:40,940 with she wasn't like she didn't look 721 00:29:46,899 --> 00:29:44,630 happy but it was one of those things 722 00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:46,909 where he could actually hear her saying 723 00:29:53,380 --> 00:29:51,620 stuff to me and so it's not just me that 724 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,390 sees stuff it's other people too that 725 00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,240 can see and hear it especially if 726 00:30:00,460 --> 00:29:58,159 they're strong you know yeah 727 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:00,470 I like I said I do a lot of ghost 728 00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:02,570 busting and I bring a lot of people with 729 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,870 me especially skeptics yeah it's funny 730 00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:07,820 when a person who is a real skeptic 731 00:30:10,299 --> 00:30:09,559 about ghosts they they think yeah right 732 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:10,309 whatever 733 00:30:13,539 --> 00:30:11,929 and then then when they see one it 734 00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:13,549 freaks them out they just they can't 735 00:30:17,409 --> 00:30:15,320 believe it but by the next day they're 736 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:17,419 like did I really see that I don't know 737 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:18,980 if I spent a week later like I didn't 738 00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:20,510 see anything I just you know whatever 739 00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:23,299 fog gas or whatever but at the time they 740 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:26,120 know they saw something and it was the 741 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:28,250 same way with us growing up but we just 742 00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:30,049 kept seeing them over and over and over 743 00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:32,750 again and so we just you know didn't 744 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:35,720 have a we just gave up we just like okay 745 00:30:39,399 --> 00:30:37,730 there's there's ghosts okay now what do 746 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:39,409 we do what what next what's the answer 747 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:42,049 next so you're saying you're 1000% sure 748 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:45,640 that they exist but you don't know what 749 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:49,400 what they are I know well they're the 750 00:30:58,270 --> 00:30:51,110 souls of the people that were that were 751 00:31:00,940 --> 00:30:58,280 here I know I get when people are 752 00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:00,950 skeptical about stuff I do I have a 753 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:02,270 problem with people that are so 754 00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:04,010 closed-minded that they're for whatever 755 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:05,360 reason there's they're afraid or 756 00:31:07,779 --> 00:31:05,840 whatever they 757 00:31:09,549 --> 00:31:07,789 just won't accept they can't even think 758 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:09,559 maybe for a second but there so I saw 759 00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:12,049 myself I decided today an open-minded 760 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:15,740 skeptic which is all you need really 761 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:17,720 because that's the same that basically 762 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,090 that's me too I don't really believe 763 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:21,760 stuff until I see it like a lot of the 764 00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:24,289 stuff in the psychic community my 765 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:26,900 sisters way into the more kumbaya jazz 766 00:31:31,899 --> 00:31:30,020 than I am I'm more of a realist when it 767 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:31,909 comes to psychic stuff you know when I 768 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:32,450 see it 769 00:31:38,769 --> 00:31:35,570 I believe it mmm so you would say for 770 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:38,779 skeptics of paranormal really the only 771 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:41,990 way to convince such a skeptic is to 772 00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:43,730 take them along with you and have them 773 00:31:49,299 --> 00:31:44,539 see it for themselves 774 00:31:50,649 --> 00:31:49,309 oh yeah or not be such an idiot because 775 00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:50,659 there's so much stuff out there these 776 00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:52,820 days there's so many different you know 777 00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:54,500 limbs it's like 35 million people 778 00:31:59,049 --> 00:31:56,750 believe in ghosts or have seen some sort 779 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,059 of ghosts or you know even a half 780 00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:01,760 percentage of that you know there's got 781 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:03,230 to be something to it you know there's 782 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:07,970 just I I get people I get skeptics I do 783 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:09,950 but I don't understand people that are 784 00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:11,450 just completely shut off I think that's 785 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:13,549 just I think it's just and so you're 786 00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,289 saying you take sometimes you 787 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:17,120 intentionally take a skeptic with you 788 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,260 absolutely 789 00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:20,480 oh my god yeah yeah I bring yeah and 790 00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:22,580 it's kind of mean especially if the 791 00:32:29,289 --> 00:32:25,520 ghost is like you know I've done a lot 792 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:29,299 of them I've done a lot of them and some 793 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:30,529 of them are worse than others some of 794 00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,610 them you know it's most of what really 795 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:33,679 stupid you know you see a little bump in 796 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,000 the night our lights go on and off it's 797 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:38,000 not it's just stupid but some some of 798 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:39,770 them there you can see the things things 799 00:32:43,659 --> 00:32:42,200 are flying around they're pulling on 800 00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,669 your hair they're you know tapping your 801 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:45,919 they're throwing stuff at you and those 802 00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:47,270 are the ones that you want to bring 803 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:48,620 people that are a little skeptical 804 00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:51,110 because they you know they can see it 805 00:33:00,880 --> 00:32:57,140 now well an iPhone pick this up sure how 806 00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:00,890 do you record um you know I 807 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:05,630 I teach ghost busting classes too mostly 808 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:10,340 just because a lot of people get in 809 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,440 there and screw it up and so I when you 810 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:14,000 screw up a ghost busting it makes it 811 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:16,850 worse so I usually do jobs that are 812 00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:19,250 pretty bad 813 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:22,520 just because what are you sorry let me 814 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:24,170 be clear what what are you exactly hired 815 00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:29,650 to do okay so somebody has a house that 816 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:33,740 they they claim that they have spirits 817 00:33:37,270 --> 00:33:35,090 in the house they claim that there's 818 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,280 things going on like when I was growing 819 00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,200 up like oh when I was a kid you know 820 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:41,840 things moving around things lights this 821 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:43,700 and that people being touched all that 822 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:47,630 Costa and I just go in and find out if 823 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:48,290 that's true 824 00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,430 and I go in and get rid of them if they 825 00:33:59,980 --> 00:33:57,440 get rid of them you have one of those 826 00:34:04,030 --> 00:33:59,990 big machines like Bill Murray vacuum 827 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:04,040 clear yeah it's really more about it's 828 00:34:07,570 --> 00:34:06,260 really finding out so there's three 829 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:07,580 things to a ghost busting first of all 830 00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:08,810 you have to listen to the story of the 831 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:10,400 person that's there which sucks cuz I 832 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,890 hate this story it's boring to me I've 833 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,000 heard it a thousand times 834 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:15,440 so I usually bring somebody with me 835 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:16,730 that'll sit and listen to the story 836 00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:18,710 which is when the person tells you all 837 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:20,060 the stuff that's been going on and 838 00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:22,250 you're supposed to look like amazed but 839 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:24,580 when you've seen it a thousand times and 840 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:28,130 it's difficult for me so you listen to 841 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:29,810 the story then you go through the house 842 00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:31,010 and you look to see if there's anything 843 00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:34,100 there and if you can clearly see it like 844 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:38,150 you know visually then you know you want 845 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:39,710 to find out how strong these things are 846 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:43,040 the soles or this the ghost sir whether 847 00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:44,510 they have a dark tinge to them where 848 00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:47,660 they have a light tinge to them you just 849 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:49,670 want to get a general idea of what they 850 00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:51,680 look like and how strong they're and 851 00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:53,000 then you come up with a little plan 852 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:54,440 about how to get rid of where is the 853 00:34:59,050 --> 00:34:56,210 strongest spot like in the house which 854 00:35:00,940 --> 00:34:59,060 is the worst place like some places just 855 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:00,950 have a were split and you start from 856 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:02,810 that and then you work your way out and 857 00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:05,240 what you do is if there's a ghost there 858 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:07,340 like you know sometimes people don't 859 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:10,010 even know that they're dead we walked 860 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:13,310 into a ghost busting and this lady was 861 00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:15,290 laying on her bed and she had this green 862 00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:17,030 pillow and she smelled you know she 863 00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,830 smelled like formaldehyde and you're 864 00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:20,480 watching it you're talking about a ghost 865 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:23,600 a ghost is just lying on the bed but it 866 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:26,330 had a smell to it yeah and the owner who 867 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:29,510 was like who called us this is when my 868 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:30,650 sister and I used to work together we 869 00:35:35,859 --> 00:35:32,660 used to work together a lot but they 870 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:35,869 called us because they couldn't sell the 871 00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:37,490 house and they didn't really believe in 872 00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,520 ghosts they had never seen one but they 873 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:41,839 just they had heard about us in this 874 00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:44,450 thing okay good should come out and so 875 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:46,520 we did and this place had a ton of 876 00:35:53,859 --> 00:35:49,940 ghosts just a ton of ghosts but so we 877 00:35:57,819 --> 00:35:53,869 told the owner to come in and and see 878 00:36:01,029 --> 00:35:57,829 for herself this lady and so the lady 879 00:36:03,339 --> 00:36:01,039 comes in sees this lady laid on the bed 880 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:03,349 the lady on the bed turns over goes what 881 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:05,450 what do you want and the owner just 882 00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:08,569 passed right out just passed which was a 883 00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:11,150 bad thing for us to do but they had kept 884 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:12,980 they were they were just like you know 885 00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:15,770 so-called ghosts are in this house so if 886 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:18,049 you could so-called get rid of them so 887 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:20,390 we had to show her what the deal was why 888 00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:24,049 you know what we were gonna do and but 889 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:25,700 she had never seen one before let alone 890 00:36:31,779 --> 00:36:28,970 heard one speak or smelled one and the 891 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:31,789 smell was pretty bad in that case but a 892 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:34,130 lot of time what did you do then to get 893 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:35,650 rid of that Ghost 894 00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:37,910 well you had a conversation with them 895 00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:40,220 you say hey lady you're dead you got to 896 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,240 go and there's this hole there's this I 897 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:45,680 know it's not like a cliche like the 898 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:48,799 light thing but as to God there there's 899 00:36:54,819 --> 00:36:51,890 like this other side you know and they 900 00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:54,829 have to go like ghosts don't belong here 901 00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:56,059 they're dead they're people that have 902 00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:58,220 that are dead and their life is over 903 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:00,770 it's done whether it's good or bad they 904 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:02,930 have to go and they don't have any 905 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,390 rights to be here and so you just you 906 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:07,520 help escort them to the other side 907 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:11,690 either you talk them to go or you you 908 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:13,010 bring in other people from the other 909 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,880 side to help them cross over and this 910 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:19,760 usually works yeah you know here you go 911 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:23,450 back a second time well you know it's 912 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:25,730 funny you know the ones that you have to 913 00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:28,190 go back are are the ones that the people 914 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:29,869 have have established a relationship 915 00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,930 with they're ghosts like they're there 916 00:37:38,109 --> 00:37:35,119 they call them their pets or they they 917 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:38,119 they think they're like a nanny you know 918 00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:40,250 and those are the ones that you have to 919 00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:41,960 go back to because the people that are 920 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:43,369 living in the house kind of Miss them 921 00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:45,230 kind of wonder what they're doing and 922 00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:46,460 they kind of just you know say 923 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:48,440 you know Compaq and so those are the 924 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:50,570 ones that are a pain in the butt but um 925 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:52,580 no matter how are they're good ghosts 926 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:53,420 and bad ghosts 927 00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:55,970 yeah there's they're they're not it's 928 00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:58,030 not they're just like they're people 929 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:00,140 they're like you know they're people 930 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:02,270 there there's jerks and those nice 931 00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:05,810 people and yeah they're I think when 932 00:38:08,890 --> 00:38:07,220 you're dead though you have a different 933 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:08,900 perspective on things you know you can 934 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:11,890 see things in a different way and you 935 00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:14,089 know we get a lot of people that have 936 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:17,420 died from drug overdoses or murder or 937 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:19,010 you know all that cuts if they call them 938 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:21,710 earthbound spirits and they're just 939 00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,210 they're afraid to go to the other side 940 00:38:27,970 --> 00:38:25,760 usually for a whole variety of different 941 00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:27,980 reasons you know they might feel guilty 942 00:38:32,050 --> 00:38:29,720 they might be afraid what's on the other 943 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:32,060 side they they you know there's all 944 00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:33,410 sorts of different reasons so they kind 945 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:34,820 of stay earthbound and those are the 946 00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:36,650 ones that do they like to BG boards and 947 00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:39,230 that moves stuff and just kind of screw 948 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:40,520 with you because they get bored you know 949 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:42,080 they don't know what to do they're just 950 00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,570 they're bored so they they screw around 951 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:47,599 with people and there's not that do you 952 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:51,740 video any of these sure ghost busting 953 00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:54,080 activities yeah Andrew the ghosts show 954 00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:56,300 up on the video sometimes yeah sometimes 955 00:39:02,530 --> 00:38:59,270 it's tough it depends on the film but 956 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,540 yeah yeah so an iPhone they'll show 957 00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:04,160 they'll show if of iPhone records it 958 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:08,000 yeah I wish I could send you some stuff 959 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:11,930 there yeah you can yeah yeah yeah 960 00:39:16,839 --> 00:39:13,730 there's especially now with everybody 961 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:16,849 with a camera where there's people I'm 962 00:39:22,329 --> 00:39:20,570 thinking for the skeptics among us not 963 00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:22,339 necessarily me included of course but 964 00:39:27,579 --> 00:39:24,470 for those listening I'm sure seeing some 965 00:39:30,220 --> 00:39:27,589 video of this would be helpful can we 966 00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,230 can we share some video with listeners I 967 00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:32,960 don't have I don't have let's see I have 968 00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:37,790 I wonder if I have I wonder if I have a 969 00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,000 picture a buddy mine's a cop and he he 970 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:49,040 he there was a car accident 971 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:54,050 and this guy had wrapped himself on a 972 00:40:01,090 --> 00:39:59,740 saw my butt 973 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:01,100 was there to take pictures you know take 974 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:03,410 pictures for the accident show what 975 00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:04,910 happened what didn't happen blah blah 976 00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:12,380 and see if I can find it and in the 977 00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:16,670 picture you can see the guy's face the 978 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:20,150 guy that they just took away and which 979 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:26,080 well you don't necessarily need to find 980 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:28,070 it now we can you can send me a post 981 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,870 posted on our website there's a whole 982 00:40:33,820 --> 00:40:31,040 bunch of pictures though I mean there's 983 00:40:37,390 --> 00:40:33,830 all sorts of different stuff but yeah 984 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:37,400 it's they do show up though they show up 985 00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:39,770 on things and they show up on film you 986 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:42,620 can see them you can ask to see them if 987 00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:44,210 people are like skeptical they can they 988 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:45,350 can certainly ask to see them the 989 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:46,730 problem with that though is that they 990 00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,050 get you know they'll probably get some 991 00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:52,400 jerk spirits and they'll just kind of 992 00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:54,680 play with you um but yeah I mean if you 993 00:41:00,820 --> 00:40:56,600 need proof you can certainly get you can 994 00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:00,830 ask for it and what about animals do 995 00:41:05,140 --> 00:41:02,630 they have souls do they show up as 996 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:05,150 ghosts yeah you know it's funny with 997 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:10,670 animals they really there's a lot of 998 00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:14,900 pictures of animals dogs cats waiting 999 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:17,620 for you know being by their their owner 1000 00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:23,090 waiting for them the answer is yes that 1001 00:41:26,890 --> 00:41:25,430 panels have Souls just like humans I 1002 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:26,900 would say that's true 1003 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:28,610 yeah exist cuz I've seen pictures of 1004 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:31,700 them and and I might my dog and cat I 1005 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:33,650 see I see them all the time around here 1006 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:35,990 but yeah I see them all the time in fact 1007 00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:40,010 I think I'm tripping on them sometimes 1008 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:41,870 but when you're called out to do ghost 1009 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:44,990 busting it never involves an animal yeah 1010 00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:48,650 sometimes it does yeah because there the 1011 00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,080 dogs will bark people are really 1012 00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:52,880 skittish about this kind of stuff so if 1013 00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:54,830 they hear their old dog barking you know 1014 00:42:00,460 --> 00:41:57,470 they get a little freaked out or if 1015 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:00,470 their toys are moved you know the dogs 1016 00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:02,690 toys or cats toys or move you know a lot 1017 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:05,140 of times the owners keep their toys and 1018 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:07,490 they'll be you know wake up and they'll 1019 00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:08,870 be all over the living room you know 1020 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,900 stuff like that yeah that happens okay 1021 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:13,260 so you say that you're a psychic 1022 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,290 that focuses on the future what hey guys 1023 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,720 yeah a futuristic so tell me what that 1024 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:20,460 means that means that you can predict 1025 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:23,850 the future well no well yeah I mean that 1026 00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:26,730 sounds kind of grandiose but I I just 1027 00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:28,859 see opportunities coming up but you know 1028 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:31,560 I started doing this stuff I was I 1029 00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,570 didn't want to do it I just didn't want 1030 00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:35,040 to do it I just didn't want to I didn't 1031 00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:36,000 want to be one of those guys there's 1032 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:37,500 gonna be in a restaurant when I was 85 1033 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:38,850 years old give him card readings you 1034 00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,650 know I just I didn't want to do that so 1035 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:42,119 I thought if I was gonna do this what 1036 00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:44,070 what I want to do and what interests me 1037 00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:45,990 and how can I prove whether I'm accurate 1038 00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:49,260 or not and that's how I got a decided to 1039 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,600 do the future stuff and what it is is 1040 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:55,920 you know and sometimes I suck I'm not 1041 00:43:02,530 --> 00:42:57,930 saying that I don't but sometimes I can 1042 00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:02,540 get really lucky about like different 1043 00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:04,830 people coming in you can it's like you 1044 00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:07,320 can see a person coming into the in 1045 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:09,000 their life or you can see this new job 1046 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:14,340 or I I started doing people debt right 1047 00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:18,900 before they were successful you could 1048 00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:21,180 see that things were just gonna open 1049 00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,200 wide open for them and and that's 1050 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:27,420 interesting to me because like I said I 1051 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:29,490 can tell whether I'm accurate or not but 1052 00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:31,290 it's also whether I think the person is 1053 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:34,920 gonna do it like say you're kind of 1054 00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:37,050 lonely and you don't you haven't been 1055 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,100 with somebody and you see somebody 1056 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:40,920 coming along I think that there's a 1057 00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,150 pretty good chance that you're gonna be 1058 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:43,920 involved with that person but you could 1059 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:45,450 decide that you didn't want you could 1060 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:47,670 just decide man I'm just gonna pass but 1061 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:50,310 I see the opportunities coming where I 1062 00:43:55,820 --> 00:43:51,960 screw up and where I get wrong sometimes 1063 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:55,830 is that I predict something that the 1064 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:57,450 person I think is gonna do but they 1065 00:44:01,340 --> 00:43:58,920 don't do but the opportunity is still 1066 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:01,350 there they just don't necessarily take 1067 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:04,410 it so I'm you know but sometimes you 1068 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:05,970 know I've been lucky for a while and 1069 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:09,330 hopefully I'll continue to be but it's 1070 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:12,630 really just whether I think that they're 1071 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,770 gonna take the opportunities that are 1072 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:14,880 coming because there's always 1073 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:18,960 opportunities so what would you how 1074 00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:22,890 would you describe that ability to see 1075 00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:26,430 these future opportunities oh boy I 1076 00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:27,030 don't know 1077 00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:31,740 what is that ability because you know a 1078 00:44:36,830 --> 00:44:33,080 couple thoughts I have you knows it 1079 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:36,840 people talk about intuition yeah talk of 1080 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,250 it you know you have just intelligence 1081 00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:41,520 of being able to be a smart person and 1082 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,620 read situations so how would you 1083 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:47,280 describe this ability and and how unique 1084 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:50,850 it is to you versus anyone else what's 1085 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:52,830 unique I think there's other psychics 1086 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:55,890 that do future jazz it's just unique to 1087 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,810 me cuz that's what I'm interested I mean 1088 00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,520 you know when I do readings for people I 1089 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:02,220 have to tell them where they've been and 1090 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:04,290 where they're going I mean what they're 1091 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:05,490 doing right now I mean you can't just 1092 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:07,110 say yeah you're gonna get a job in three 1093 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:08,730 weeks that'll be 300 bucks you have to 1094 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:10,230 you know you have to tell them stuff 1095 00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:11,610 about what they've been through and 1096 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:13,830 stuff you know I don't know I don't want 1097 00:45:17,570 --> 00:45:16,710 to say prophecy because that sounds just 1098 00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:17,580 awful 1099 00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:21,510 but um I just you know honestly I just 1100 00:45:29,350 --> 00:45:25,680 call myself a future guy and and it's 1101 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,360 not something that like most the time 1102 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:32,280 the person that I'm talking to doesn't 1103 00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:34,350 usually believe me they usually just 1104 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,620 think I'm full of crap um until this 1105 00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:40,800 stuff happens and then then they'll call 1106 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:42,630 me back or they'll text me and say okay 1107 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:44,370 so and so happen bah bah bah but it's 1108 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:48,480 not something that is based on 1109 00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:54,720 intelligence it's it's just you can it's 1110 00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:56,190 hard to explain but you can see these 1111 00:46:00,080 --> 00:45:58,350 things coming up it's like it's like if 1112 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:00,090 you rolled ahead you know like when you 1113 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:01,530 do about newspaper stuff when you roll 1114 00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:03,210 ahead you can just see that you can just 1115 00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:06,390 see you can see stuff happening icon and 1116 00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:09,660 and how do you think that's possible is 1117 00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,840 or any type of any explanation for it is 1118 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:14,900 there any scientific explanation for it 1119 00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:17,640 probably know it's probably scientific 1120 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:24,140 not know how can I explain it you know 1121 00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:28,620 okay so intuition you get a feeling you 1122 00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:29,640 should go here you see you're gonna 1123 00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:33,000 feeling this yo they're athletes use 1124 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:34,470 intuition all the time and their moves 1125 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:37,110 and what they do and they get this the 1126 00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:38,130 sense that they should do it but they 1127 00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:39,300 don't look at as an 1128 00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:44,040 they just say it's instinct it's kind of 1129 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:48,740 like that except on steroids it's like 1130 00:46:55,810 --> 00:46:52,890 you just you get a bigger broader 1131 00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,190 it's hmm it's to me it's it's gonna 1132 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:07,140 sounds nutty but I get pictures on stuff 1133 00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:09,050 they start talking to me about stuff 1134 00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,870 they day meaning like there's this 1135 00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,460 theory that everybody has like spirit 1136 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,880 guides around them and and so I try and 1137 00:47:22,070 --> 00:47:19,440 tap into those people they start 1138 00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,080 explaining stuff to me I explain to the 1139 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:24,960 people who these people are and it's 1140 00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:28,470 that kind of stuff it sounds a little 1141 00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:33,630 nutty but it's true it's at least it is 1142 00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:37,140 true for me you know i from what I see 1143 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:47,880 and what I do it's it's it's hard for 1144 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,650 people that haven't been in it because 1145 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,800 it's they just haven't been in it but if 1146 00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:54,240 when you get into it when you start 1147 00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,830 having these experiences when you see 1148 00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:57,660 all this stuff after a while it just 1149 00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:00,830 becomes sort of normal and when you see 1150 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:03,990 darker negative things in the person 1151 00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:06,210 futures are you able to warn them 1152 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:12,510 against yeah I did so people are always 1153 00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:14,010 doing these little sizzle shows you know 1154 00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:18,060 about myself or my family and they're 1155 00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:19,830 always trying to do us so that we're 1156 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:22,320 like the medium you know that that that 1157 00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:24,300 psychic lady that comes up and ambushes 1158 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:26,520 yeah with like I see you're dead 1159 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:27,930 relativities telling you to look behind 1160 00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:29,130 the mirror for money and all that stuff 1161 00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:31,260 that's the say tional Cap'n it's I don't 1162 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:32,190 believe in that I don't think you're 1163 00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:33,810 supposed to do that but whatever they're 1164 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:35,100 all the producers are always looking for 1165 00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:36,690 stuff like that and there was there was 1166 00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,350 a crew at my house and they they wanted 1167 00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:42,000 me to do stuff like that make the person 1168 00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:43,500 cry you know they wanted me to the 1169 00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:45,180 person that was coming in for reading 1170 00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:46,560 they wanted me to just you know make 1171 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:48,600 them cry like that psychic doesn't I 1172 00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:49,440 think that's stupid 1173 00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:51,710 I do and I so we got in a fight about it 1174 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,859 finally 1175 00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:54,960 it was like look either make this person 1176 00:48:59,779 --> 00:48:58,140 cry or leave and I said well go and they 1177 00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:59,789 said well no we're not gonna go but just 1178 00:49:02,989 --> 00:49:01,380 please try to make it better so we were 1179 00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:02,999 there was some tension us they brought 1180 00:49:07,579 --> 00:49:05,579 in this guy who's a real big skeptic big 1181 00:49:09,799 --> 00:49:07,589 skeptic didn't believe in this stuff at 1182 00:49:12,289 --> 00:49:09,809 all and he sits down and he doesn't say 1183 00:49:13,549 --> 00:49:12,299 anything he just he just sits there I go 1184 00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:13,559 what do you want to know and he goes 1185 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:18,390 just tell me whatever so I'm pissed I 1186 00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,210 and I think and the cameras are rolling 1187 00:49:25,819 --> 00:49:24,420 and I said okay and they start showing 1188 00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:25,829 up these little guys start showing up 1189 00:49:29,269 --> 00:49:27,180 and they tell me he's gonna die in two 1190 00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:29,279 weeks maybe he won't die but he's 1191 00:49:32,269 --> 00:49:30,630 probably gonna die in two weeks 1192 00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:32,279 something's gonna happen with his lungs 1193 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,190 and he's gonna die in two weeks so if 1194 00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:37,410 he's gonna die in two weeks what would 1195 00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:38,609 he say to the people that were gonna die 1196 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:41,339 and this guy's freaking annika so what 1197 00:49:45,259 --> 00:49:42,329 do you mean I'm gonna die in two weeks I 1198 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:45,269 said you're gonna die in two weeks you 1199 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:47,430 might go sorry this was part of a show 1200 00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:51,450 yeah hey television show it was a it was 1201 00:49:55,549 --> 00:49:52,980 a what do you call it sizzle they were 1202 00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:55,559 shooting sizzle you know because they 1203 00:50:01,279 --> 00:49:58,619 wanted to do a show yeah like a pilot 1204 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:01,289 like a pilot pilot episode okay so this 1205 00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:02,970 is all on film you can we see this 1206 00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:08,339 somewhere by the way they have I don't 1207 00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:10,230 know they they show well I'll tell you 1208 00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:13,710 in a sec okay he starts talking about 1209 00:50:18,529 --> 00:50:15,859 this stuff in Baba 1210 00:50:22,819 --> 00:50:18,539 and sure enough two weeks later the guy 1211 00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:22,829 dies and they were afraid to use it 1212 00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:26,099 because they it was so freaky that but 1213 00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:27,119 the funny thing about it was they used 1214 00:50:30,499 --> 00:50:29,220 it at the guy's funeral they showed it 1215 00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,509 at his funeral because it was like he 1216 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:32,099 was giving his own eulogy he was like 1217 00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,930 well I would have said this to my mom I 1218 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:35,400 would said this to my sister both laugh 1219 00:50:40,729 --> 00:50:37,410 and so it was really interesting because 1220 00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:40,739 it actually worked out but um and he was 1221 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,859 a good guy but so yeah sometimes the 1222 00:50:47,059 --> 00:50:45,180 answer to your question is yes sometimes 1223 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,069 you do give people bad news I don't you 1224 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:48,960 know I wonder what happened to that 1225 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:52,559 footage they presented it to TLC and I 1226 00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:54,450 think TLC got freaked out because it had 1227 00:51:02,269 --> 00:50:59,450 to do with death and what did he die of 1228 00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:02,279 he had us something like a blood clot in 1229 00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:05,190 his lungs you had nothing to do with it 1230 00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:11,260 it's gonna be good for the range pal uh 1231 00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:17,460 how old was the guy um probably 50 ish 1232 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:20,339 Wow so look good appeared to be in in in 1233 00:51:22,819 --> 00:51:21,690 perfectly good health when you were with 1234 00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:22,829 the good health 1235 00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,119 you know you probably had health issues 1236 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:26,520 before that but so we're gonna we're 1237 00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:28,650 gonna probably run this episode in about 1238 00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:34,020 two weeks okay so what can you predict 1239 00:51:40,579 --> 00:51:37,619 for us happen over these two weeks so 1240 00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:40,589 that by the time this thing airs we'll 1241 00:51:46,819 --> 00:51:42,270 be able to demonstrate to our audience 1242 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:46,829 that this shot is real take your time 1243 00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:49,049 take your time but no I didn't preview 1244 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:52,500 that at all to you but predict what air 1245 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:55,170 but what would you like I um I don't 1246 00:51:58,460 --> 00:51:56,970 know is the best I mean is the best to 1247 00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:58,470 have it be something pertaining to me 1248 00:52:05,890 --> 00:51:59,460 because we've been having this 1249 00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:05,900 conversation or C's okay pressures on 1250 00:52:14,359 --> 00:52:11,460 yeah yeah Michaels saying something 1251 00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:14,369 regarding Trump or or there is there is 1252 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,339 a game six of the NBA playoffs coming up 1253 00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,500 in and I'll be in Vegas I would love to 1254 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:21,420 know who's gonna win that game 1255 00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:23,609 I thought sports and I really would I 1256 00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,420 wish I wasn't 1257 00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:26,400 oh gosh you could make a you could make 1258 00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,089 that would that that would be a strike 1259 00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:34,740 for skeptics right there too because say 1260 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,140 well gee if psychic ability is there and 1261 00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:38,640 the ability to predict the future then 1262 00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:39,990 there would be some psychics making a 1263 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:42,720 ton of money in Vegas right now you know 1264 00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:44,250 but that the funny thing about is not 1265 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,900 supposed to the psychic stuff isn't 1266 00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,520 supposed to be about money like they're 1267 00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,160 like I work with people that you know 1268 00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:53,339 business people and I can't I in stocks 1269 00:52:57,740 --> 00:52:55,470 and bonds and up and down but I and I 1270 00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:57,750 can tell them what to do and I can teach 1271 00:53:00,980 --> 00:52:58,859 them how to trust their own intuition 1272 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:00,990 but I can't make any money off of it I 1273 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:03,450 can't profit from that kind of stuff not 1274 00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:05,730 that way yeah you know people say who 1275 00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:07,109 you know why don't psych you swing the 1276 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:08,099 lottery and all that stuff 1277 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,710 well they I think the people that win 1278 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:12,270 the lottery kind of have that psychic 1279 00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:13,290 stuff to them you know they have an 1280 00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:15,030 intuition about something you know they 1281 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:16,619 have a feeling about something they're 1282 00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:18,450 not just I suppose there's some random 1283 00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,859 things but they generally do 1284 00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:23,359 have a sense of what numbers to do so 1285 00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:25,859 I'm just saying you know skeptics I 1286 00:53:39,529 --> 00:53:35,359 yeah hold on let's see what Michaels 1287 00:53:41,749 --> 00:53:39,539 suggesting here emails on Oh Oh or email 1288 00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,759 Oh oh yeah well yeah just to be clear 1289 00:53:45,769 --> 00:53:44,160 you know I when we when we talked about 1290 00:53:47,479 --> 00:53:45,779 doing this interview we specifically 1291 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:47,489 said it wasn't going to be a reading I 1292 00:53:51,229 --> 00:53:48,569 wanted to talk to you about psychic 1293 00:53:57,019 --> 00:53:51,239 papers that's why if you're not 1294 00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:57,029 comfortable commenting now I'm gonna 1295 00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:01,859 come at you with let's see even about 1296 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:11,049 geez I don't even know what to tell you 1297 00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:13,729 I'm good to tell you about am I gonna do 1298 00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:14,160 it 1299 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:17,880 how am I gonna do in Vegas should I get 1300 00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:19,650 well if you if you answer the question 1301 00:54:28,809 --> 00:54:25,910 stick with the red you know stick with 1302 00:54:31,489 --> 00:54:28,819 red stick with red yeah stick was right 1303 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:31,499 okay should we go with that okay so 1304 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:33,450 here's what we're gonna do when I'm in 1305 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:34,980 Vegas yes 1306 00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:37,890 I'm gonna play red say ten straight 1307 00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:41,640 times and see how I do okay fair enough 1308 00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:43,460 all right awesome 1309 00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,619 okay hey Michael thank you so much sure 1310 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:49,440 thank you awesome interview really fun 1311 00:54:55,489 --> 00:54:52,130 let's connect next time you're in LA 1312 00:55:00,799 --> 00:54:55,499 yeah and and you're gonna be hearing